Don
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I Like my little Ruger mark so much that I've considered carrying it.
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truecrimson
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Don, I had a 9mm on my hip both times you have seen me. I carry all the time every place that isn't prohibited by law. There are a lot of lightweight subcompact guns out there today and good holsters that make carrying and staying concealed easy and comfortable.
Blackcat and I are both big fans of Alien Gear holsters. I can't recommend them strongly enough.
As far as hunting with semis, we used to hunt with SKS's and AK's back in Texas in the 80's and 90's. AR's weren't as big then because uncle scam hadn't introduced so many people to them during trips to the middle yeast yet. I had one animal I had to shoot twice with an SKS, and one I had to shoot twice with an SMLE (that's a bolt action, for any Godless heathens who don't appreciate surplus
). Both times it was operator error and had nothing at all to do with the performance of the rifle or the cartridge. Both times were in the 80's and I chalk them up to youth and excitement.
As has been mentioned we did not see a greater number of people injured or killed than other states.
Melvin, I thought semis were legal for small game now so why can't you use the pistol for tree rat?
Blackcat and I are both big fans of Alien Gear holsters. I can't recommend them strongly enough.
As far as hunting with semis, we used to hunt with SKS's and AK's back in Texas in the 80's and 90's. AR's weren't as big then because uncle scam hadn't introduced so many people to them during trips to the middle yeast yet. I had one animal I had to shoot twice with an SKS, and one I had to shoot twice with an SMLE (that's a bolt action, for any Godless heathens who don't appreciate surplus
). Both times it was operator error and had nothing at all to do with the performance of the rifle or the cartridge. Both times were in the 80's and I chalk them up to youth and excitement.As has been mentioned we did not see a greater number of people injured or killed than other states.
Melvin, I thought semis were legal for small game now so why can't you use the pistol for tree rat?
josey12340
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Don do you just want to make them mad?
Blackcat Outdoors
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Yep, I like alien gear stuff. Works well and isn't to expensive. I've carried for over 20 years now regularly. Daily for about the last 15 or so. If anyone here has ever met me, or will eventually, I can pretty much guarantee I'm carrying something.
It kinda just gets into your routine after a while. When I get ready in the morning I grab my holster, the same way I grab my wallet, keys, pocket knife, etc.
It kinda just gets into your routine after a while. When I get ready in the morning I grab my holster, the same way I grab my wallet, keys, pocket knife, etc.
Blackcat Outdoors
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I don't know about you guys, but I ain't volunteering to stand down range of him with a 380. Hell, I don't even like standing behind some people the couple times I've gone to the public ranges. 
truecrimson
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truecrimson
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To add an undesired bit of seriousness here, there doesn't seem to be a statistical difference between everything from .380 to .45 ACP at typical defensive ranges. Even the little difference in Evan Marshall's published data back in the 90's turned out to be artifact from the ability to get follow up shots before your OODA loop completed.
That means that a person shooting .357 Magnum Federal Hydro Shoks (The leader at the time) couldn't get back on target and complete a follow up shot before their OODA loop completed so they realized that their target was stopped and no follow up shot was needed. A person shooting 9mm could fire, on average, 3 rounds on target before their OODA completed meaning they had shot the target 3 times before they realized it no longer needed shooting. So the higher 1 shot stop percentage Marshall focused on was not really a difference in stopping power, it was a difference in noticing the successful stop and not hitting it again.
That means that a person shooting .357 Magnum Federal Hydro Shoks (The leader at the time) couldn't get back on target and complete a follow up shot before their OODA loop completed so they realized that their target was stopped and no follow up shot was needed. A person shooting 9mm could fire, on average, 3 rounds on target before their OODA completed meaning they had shot the target 3 times before they realized it no longer needed shooting. So the higher 1 shot stop percentage Marshall focused on was not really a difference in stopping power, it was a difference in noticing the successful stop and not hitting it again.
Don
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good review. I'm not up on the latest acronyms but embarrassingly many of todays police and soldiers that are can't shoot anyway, but merely chuck lead. I remember 10 or 15 years ago a guy in a car sitting static offered resistance to three NYC cops. Then in a frenzy they shot 57 times from a car length away from the assailant. They only needed I shot. In the time they took to waste 57 rounds on him they could have drawn straws to decide whom shall use one ping only. A .380 is no 9mm. Yet is does penetrate very far into the gelatin that is used to test cartridges. Add to that some of the modern self-defense rounds and it is quite effective. Furthermore there is allot less concussion and flash making it more accommodating in a dire environment. Same for .32, not that I recommend it.
My NRA trainer/neighbor, a huge handed 1911 user, recommended .22 as the Mossad found it acceptable and so should we. And boy-oh-boy he could shoot. His name was Joe but it should have been OnePingPete. The arms left at home won't help you in a spot was his point.
My NRA trainer/neighbor, a huge handed 1911 user, recommended .22 as the Mossad found it acceptable and so should we. And boy-oh-boy he could shoot. His name was Joe but it should have been OnePingPete. The arms left at home won't help you in a spot was his point.
truecrimson
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Joe's right. A .22 in the hand is worth more than anything at home in the safe. Of course Mossad were ambushing people, so that is a little different. The Israelis also like to use a 10/22 to shoot "mostly peaceful protesters" in the legs. It seems to take the protest right out of them.
For me 9mm was a balancing point between the size of the hole, my ability to make the hole where I wanted it to be, and then shoot it again in the same vicinity if I had to. Everyone is going to be different there. I know a guy who is well over 6 foot, in the high 200 pounds weight, and thinks the 10mm recoil is light. My wife maxes out at .380, and I am eager to get my hands on some .32 ACP ammo and see how she likes the Colt 1903. She took to the Tokarev like a duck to water, and the pistol format is pretty similar.
The OODA loop (observe, orient, decide, act) is a description of the process the human brain goes through in order to initiate an action, and then repeats to follow up.
en.wikipedia.org
Most self defense takes place at very close ranges. Someone is not going to yell "Give me your wallet!" from 100 yards away. At close range, and I forget the exact numbers now, .380 IS effectively 9mm. It just runs out of steam sooner. And as you mention modern bullet design has come a long way, making smaller calibers more effective than ever before.
For me 9mm was a balancing point between the size of the hole, my ability to make the hole where I wanted it to be, and then shoot it again in the same vicinity if I had to. Everyone is going to be different there. I know a guy who is well over 6 foot, in the high 200 pounds weight, and thinks the 10mm recoil is light. My wife maxes out at .380, and I am eager to get my hands on some .32 ACP ammo and see how she likes the Colt 1903. She took to the Tokarev like a duck to water, and the pistol format is pretty similar.
The OODA loop (observe, orient, decide, act) is a description of the process the human brain goes through in order to initiate an action, and then repeats to follow up.
OODA loop - Wikipedia
Most self defense takes place at very close ranges. Someone is not going to yell "Give me your wallet!" from 100 yards away. At close range, and I forget the exact numbers now, .380 IS effectively 9mm. It just runs out of steam sooner. And as you mention modern bullet design has come a long way, making smaller calibers more effective than ever before.