In spite of the fact that I had a blast I've never caught a fish on any version of the Keitechs. Not even hits. Which tells me that it is far down the list, very very far down, of what they're after as food. I've had hits or even caught fish on virtually all other lures. I have or had reams of these rubber things off and on for years. Never any luck. I wish I had spent the same money on Rebels or something else. The guys fishing on land, adjacent to me, were nailing them on Live Minnow ( either Herring or shiners, 4"-5") and Raps. What I often see of Spinning fishermen, Maybe its the case or not with you, is they stand on the boat and cast one after the next after the next. I guess if one casts enough they'll eventually catch something. If they cast 10 times as much as I did they are likely to fare 10x's better. To me that is not fishing but more like 'chance'. Next time I go I'll be fishing Keitecks and Repala's at each end of the boat and will compare. While it could be that I'm Mr. Crankypants I'll have to actually catch something to know for sure and what action to impart. I've never caught any Bass family or Pike family on cheap rubber and over-weight jighheads. Perhaps some methodology from you or other members will be the ticket to change my game and negative opinion some but for now I will just have to keep swinging until something hits and I develop confidence in it. I Couldn't think of a nicer place to learn than Paupack to learn as that cove was alive with fish. Thanks for the help with this.