[Archived] What did you Catch Today?

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Don

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Well there ya have it. I was trying to be discrete and not give away who I was with and where. This lake has oodles of potential. Locationally, how it lays in the land around it, It is charming. Only disappointment was that we caught nothing Esox, perch or Walleye.
 

HenryDavid

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Well there ya have it. I was trying to be discrete and not give away who I was with and where. This lake has oodles of potential. Locationally, how it lays in the land around it, It is charming. Only disappointment was that we caught nothing Esox, perch or Walleye.
You guys will have to give it a try during ice season
 

Don

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This looks awesome Grem. Can you imagine Pensyvania 400 yrs ago when the Salmon and Steelhead were running wild and Bison, Elk, hare and big cats were common. You have allot more energy than I had at your age. Keep it going, nice photos.
You guys will have to give it a try during ice season
I will do so by sending my emissary. I volunteer you as my emissary.

Funny you should say that though. I got a snare in my line and so I started to pull it in manually and there was a small bass on the end. Made me feel like an Ice Fisherman.
 

Gremcat

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This looks awesome Grem. Can you imagine Pensyvania 400 yrs ago when the Salmon and Steelhead were running wild and Bison, Elk, hare and big cats were common. You have allot more energy than I had at your age. Keep it going, nice photos.

I will do so by sending my emissary. I volunteer you as my emissary.

Funny you should say that though. I got a snare in my line and so I started to pull it in manually and there was a small bass on the end. Made me feel like an Ice Fisherman.
Bison and Elk, even grizzly and eastern wolf, no Steelhead or Salmon that I know of. Steelhead where introduced to create the fishery on late 1800s I think. PNW Salmon I’m not sure when. Maybe Atlantic’s where there from the beginning. Browns are known European but brookies aka Char are the only sort of native I think. A-5 can correct my history.
 

Gremcat

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Fun fact, I found an article of my great uncle explaining about eastern wolves being different from timber wolves. I then read Biologists discredited multiple overlapping strains. I read last year they discovered a second wolf in the NE aka Eastern Wolf. Sometimes those old farmers knew more than we give credit for.
 

A-5

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Atlantic’s are native to NY do t believe pa had any original anything other than brook. 1800 yes people started steel in Michigan
 

truecrimson

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Fun fact, I found an article of my great uncle explaining about eastern wolves being different from timber wolves. I then read Biologists discredited multiple overlapping strains. I read last year they discovered a second wolf in the NE aka Eastern Wolf. Sometimes those old farmers knew more than we give credit for.


You should read/listen to Coyote America by Dan Flores. He goes into some canid genetics. Most of the different wolves are just small local variations or hybrids, not actually different species or sub species. For example the Red Wolf turns out to be a coyote/wolf hybrid. A lot of canid biologists are now using the term "canid soup" because they are seeing multiple hybridization events between "different" canids.
 

A-5

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Yes and the genetics have a Biblical explanation on how they can create new “types” of canines.
 

Solitario Lupo

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Bison and Elk, even grizzly and eastern wolf, no Steelhead or Salmon that I know of. Steelhead where introduced to create the fishery on late 1800s I think. PNW Salmon I’m not sure when. Maybe Atlantic’s where there from the beginning. Browns are known European but brookies aka Char are the only sort of native I think. A-5 can correct my history.
Atlantic salmon and lake trout are native to Great Lakes. Brook trout are native to the eastern side.
 
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Gremcat

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You should read/listen to Coyote America by Dan Flores. He goes into some canid genetics. Most of the different wolves are just small local variations or hybrids, not actually different species or sub species. For example the Red Wolf turns out to be a coyote/wolf hybrid. A lot of canid biologists are now using the term "canid soup" because they are seeing multiple hybridization events between "different" canids.
If you ever travel to Eastern NC be careful what you say, lol. The 5 year study of extinct red wolves forced on the farmers after breeding Greys with Yotes has turned into a new endangered species. Can’t make that up. They haven’t paid farmers for herd loss to predation. They didn’t wipe them out after 5 years of “studying behavior”. They had them recognized as an actual species. Soooo no coyote hunting in 4-5 counties and collars on all in case someone gets trigger happy. It’s a freaking mess going on 15+ years now I think.
 

Gremcat

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The eastern grey I mentioned was thought to be a subspecies deal. Now recognized as distinctly different dna or something. Forget details but got sort of into it a few years ago after finding the old article/pic of uncle Calvin. Then found they ruled it a subspecies or folklore really. I was amused reading a scientific mag somewhere and seeing the piece on the change of heart.
 

Don

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I watched the idiots in CA re-introduce the wolf and Griz to the western slope of the Sierra. They close schools when they see them and they will not euthanize them when they shack up in your back yard.
 

Gremcat

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Santa Rosa was heartbreaking as well. Let’s wipe out unique substrains of elk and Muleys to study lichen. A disease or inbreeding issues can be fixed with isolated populations like that.

NZ is going through something similar last I read. Shooting Tahr and Chamois from helicopters to cut populations/eliminate. OZ tried that with water buffs to but I hear they are found to be a delicacy so it’s meat markets now I think.

Crazy in the name of conservation we’ll wipe out entire populations.
 

truecrimson

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If you ever travel to Eastern NC be careful what you say, lol. The 5 year study of extinct red wolves forced on the farmers after breeding Greys with Yotes has turned into a new endangered species. Can’t make that up. They haven’t paid farmers for herd loss to predation. They didn’t wipe them out after 5 years of “studying behavior”. They had them recognized as an actual species. Soooo no coyote hunting in 4-5 counties and collars on all in case someone gets trigger happy. It’s a freaking mess going on 15+ years now I think.
I have mixed feelings. I would support killing animals that were preying on livestock, but not animals that weren't. There's a reason the old traditional expression for new doctors was "First do no harm." Intervention often messes things up even if the original intention was those things the road to hell is paved with.
 

truecrimson

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I watched the idiots in CA re-introduce the wolf and Griz to the western slope of the Sierra. They close schools when they see them and they will not euthanize them when they shack up in your back yard.
How many California hippies do they eat? I would support that form of predation ;)

Maybe they can help out with the homeless problem in LA and Frisco ;)
 
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